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Rail King	Zürich - Set list spoiler	Lead	[-]
Posts: 282 (15/04/08 09:16:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Great concert yesterday in Zürich, enthusiastic crowd. Same setlist as before, with "Postcards from Paraguay" (not "Devil Baby"). Highlights were "The Fish and The Bird" (truly touching, fantastic singing by Mark), "Hillfarmer's blues" (huge applause) and a fantastic "Brothers in Arms". The only thing that disturbed me (and others) a bit was the fact that Mark obiously has lost some of his former guitar skills, which shows on songs like "Sultans" or "Telegraph Road", where his playing lacked precision. Now, nobody can seriously expect a 60 year old man to act as the guitar hero he used to be. He doesn't need to, anyway: Let him focus on his brilliant songwriting, which, amazingly enough, get's better all the time. Sultans is a great song, but it makes not too much sense to play it without the guitar wizardry that made it famous. Apart from that, Mark and the whole band were in great shape and visibly touched by the reaction they got from the crowd.
Pottel		#1	[-]
Posts: 1530 (15/04/08 11:20:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"makes not too much sense to play it without the guitar wizardry that made it famous. ".. dunno, think that is up to the man playing don't you think? the fact that he is not playing as fast as before (i do not think it is a matter of not being able to anymore) is not that important, as long as the notes that he does play are played to perfection, and in the beginning of the tour there was the odd "funny sound", but the last few recordings seem to prove Mark is back on Gilmour level(the highest level for any mortal) ,...now let's see him take it beyond!! wonder when the first setlist change is gonna happen..........'tis about time :P
jyb1984		#2	[-]
Posts: 9 (15/04/08 12:24:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Pottel you mention Gilmour before I do. I have to find somebody else. I don't see why at 60 Mark could not play like he used to do. EC is older and can still play magnificient. BB King in his 60's and early 70's could still deliver strong guitar part. Not certain that age is a valuable excuse. You are not old at 60!
Mossguitar	Change for the good?	#3	[-]
Posts: 332 (15/04/08 12:46:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have decided I don't want a setlist change! I'm going to see MK in Oslo at Sunday, and I want to hear all those songs that they are playing now. The only thing I can accept is additions. 5 or 6 songs in addition to the existing setlist is fine by me. Morten
damraf		#4	[-]
Posts: 1 (15/04/08 13:16:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i agree, the guitar playing on sultans of swing yesterday in zurich wasn't on the level of "the great Mark". probably in relation with a gastro-bug(???). unless the concert was fabulous, the sound perfect and a great assistance. a greaaaaaaat moment. damraf
goldenheart96		#5	[-]
Posts: 879 (15/04/08 13:51:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey, don't make MK older than he is - he is 58 people! About the guitar skills - well yes, there were some points where I thought the same. And I saw Gilmour in 06 and he played flawless...I don't know, maybe we are over-analysing? Hm... "Bavarian beer is very okay. Keep it chemical-free!" - MK 2002
Rail King		#6	[-]
Posts: 283 (15/04/08 18:42:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	About playing Sultans or not: "dunno, think that is up to the man playing don't you think?" Of course it is! But it's also up to us judging his decision. After all, he's playing it for us, you know, not for himself at home in his armchair. About being 60 (or 58): Of course dexterity suffers with age. But don't get me wrong, this doesn't really disturb me. Over the years, Mark has (unlike Gilmour and Clapton, I might be tempted to add) become a better singer and songwriter than he ever was, and that's more than anyone could expect (after all, he was already brilliant with 28). He writes different kinds of songs nowadays, songs that don't need any guitar wizardry. Fine! Yesterday's concert was nothing but wonderful. I just felt a little uncomfortable during Sultans, having the impression that Mark only played it as a concession to nostalgia and all the old Dire Straits fans in the crowd. I'm not sure, but maybe HE doesn't feel too comfortable playing it, too. I know Guy Fletcher says he does, but what else could he say? Anyway, it's not THAT important. He's getting farther and farther away from the guitar hero thing anyway, he already left Money for Nothing behind, and he will do so with Sultans during the next couple of years, I'm sure. That WILL be a bit sad, yes. But there's plenty new stuff to be happy about.
superval99		#7	[-]
Posts: 506 (15/04/08 18:49:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I didn't hear the Zurich version of Sultans, so I can't comment on that, but the ones I have heard sounded pretty wonderful to me, especially the second night in Amsterdam - very fresh and vibrant to my ears and better than I have heard it played for a long time! I was there too! I agree that his solo material is so good that we have nothing to worry about for the future - his songwriting is second to none and his voice is stronger than it ever was. We are very lucky people to have him still writing songs and touring for us to enjoy them live! Last Edited By: superval99 15/04/08 19:11:37. Edited 2 times.
fordie2003		#8	[-]
Posts: 85 (15/04/08 19:03:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I gotta say all the versions I have heard of Sultans on You Tube so far have sounded absolutely awesome. I don't wanna disagree but I just have to be honest! I agree he plays it a tad slower sometimes but what comes from his fingers is pure genius!!!! Why people tend to rate his playing by Sultans all the time is beyond me because I feel that a lot of his other songs show the true genius he is on the fretboard also. The feel of his wizardy is awesome on Brothers in Arms and Telegraph Road, oh and not to mention the version of Hill Farmers Blues he is currently playing! Oh by the way and this is my own opinion take a listen to the versions of Sulatans from the Shangri'La tour and I think for the most part they are not qhite as thrilling as the ones I have heard so Far this year. Just my opinion though! Anyway it's probably way too early in the tour for us to be hyper criticle right now, let's just go with the flow guys nd girls and enjoy Yehaaaaaaa!!!!
MojoIglesias		#9	[-]
Posts: 401 (15/04/08 20:28:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think MK should have left behind Sultans for this tour. It doesn't quite seem to fit in with the rest of the set... although I admit, the version of this tour is fresher than before.
goldenheart96		#10	[-]
Posts: 881 (15/04/08 21:22:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have listened to some youtube stuff again and I agree, he plays Sultans a bit slower (same goes for What It Is I think) which doesn't bug me at all, but I still can't get rid of the impression he also plays part of the solos a bit more sloppy, muting strings etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm really the last one to judge MK on how he plays the old DS stuff. The new songs are incredible and especially HFB is pure awesomness and perfectly played but I still wonder why I and some others have this strange impression of Sultans. Maybe it's the sound quality? I really feel bad now, I don't want to be picky or critizise MK's guitar skills because I know I don't have the right to do. It's just something I noticed. Also (oh dear, this is really hair-splitting now), did you notice he doesn't wear his wedding ring on stage? Could this indicate a finger problem? Again, please don't think of me as some weird person trying to over-analyse anything. But I notice such things and I find that a bit strange. "Bavarian beer is very okay. Keep it chemical-free!" - MK 2002 Last Edited By: goldenheart96 15/04/08 22:24:14. Edited 1 times.
superval99		#11	[-]
Posts: 507 (16/04/08 07:09:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sultans was played at different speeds in the past. The version from Basel '92 is much faster than "A Night in London" version, but both are amazing , so speed is not that important imo. So far I like the version from Amsterdam on this tour almost as much! Comparing the versions from Shangri-la tour to the ones I have heard from this tour I would say I much prefer the present ones! Last Edited By: superval99 16/04/08 07:15:53. Edited 1 times.
ingridswing		#12	[-]
Posts: 1329 (16/04/08 07:40:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	About Zurich: I don't care about Sultans ..... It was the best gig ever, the sound was amazing. We could hear every little detail played from all instruments. Band was in excellent shape, I read afterwards in Guy's forum and Richards diary that a couple of them didn't feel well, but couldn't notice that during the gig at all.
superval99		#13	[-]
Posts: 508 (16/04/08 07:55:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ingrid - I'm glad you had a good time at Zurich. The band are true professionals - even when they don't feel too well, the show goes on without anyone noticing anything is amiss! Regarding Sultans - there is just so much wonderful solo material for us to enjoy now that it has become less important. I'm really enjoying the songs on this tour, especially those from Ragpicker's.
stratocasteph		#14	[-]
Posts: 44 (16/04/08 08:20:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If Mark must keep only one DS song for next tours, I hope it will be Sultans ! Ok, the tempo is a bit slower, but I really prefer Sultans with only drums, bass, rythmic guitar and Mark, this is the real nature of this song ! Perhaps Mark can't play as fast than before, but he is still a guitar master. You were talking about David Gilmour and Eric Clapton (my 2 others favorite guitarists): nowadays, I find that Mark build solo like Gilmour does : not a lot of notes, but the right note in the right place. I love these 3 guitarists fro different reasons : DG : the science of writing unforgettable solos, and a guitar sound wizard ! EC : the best for improvise great blues solos. But where Mark is really better than the 2 other guys, is on rythmic parts he plays.
mrw58		#15	[-]
Posts: 409 (16/04/08 08:23:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	goldenheart96 - How could anyone think of you as "some weird person"? Actually someone noticed the wedding ring issue after the Amsterdam gigs and asked Guy about it on his forum, not that Guy was prepared to offer any explanation for this. All he would say was that a few of the band remove their wedding rings when playing. Maybe Zurich was just a bad day at the office? Not even a player as accomplished as MK is gonna hit his straps everytime and surely that is part of the buzz of a live performance. There is a bootleg from one of the earlier tours where MK completely screws up the end solo of Sultans (and astonishingly the crowd still goes wild). "Age is just a number" Regards
superval99		#16	[-]
Posts: 510 (16/04/08 08:29:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	On some photos on Guy's page, the wedding ring is still in place off-stage, so maybe it has become a bit cumbersome during concerts.
olazabalrok		#17	[-]
Posts: 34 (16/04/08 09:47:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have a feeling that MK doesn't practice his electric guitar playing as much as he used to...and as he is getting older, so I would assume that you would have to practice to keep to a level he was ten or twenty years ago. He still has the touch no else has though! Who cares if he can't play so fast anymore? I don't anyway... don't burn the pig
MojoIglesias		#18	[-]
Posts: 402 (16/04/08 10:43:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"There is a bootleg from one of the earlier tours where MK completely screws up the end solo of Sultans (and astonishingly the crowd still goes wild)." ---> Boston 2001, STP tour.
fordie2003		#19	[-]
Posts: 86 (16/04/08 14:37:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If I could also add to my post yesterday is that Sultans is played as it should be as a 4 pice just like the original. I defy anyone who can listen to the original as think that it is more accomplished than what Mark plays nowadays! I just believe to get THAT wizardry quick style version again of Sultans as in Alchemy, Basel '92, or even the '96 tour , it would mean reintroducing all the other band sections, you know keyboards, percussion,piano! Mark plays it this way now like he's playing in a pub, just how it should be! Also Mark would have to crank up the reverb effect whilst playing guitar to give it the full effect. I do believe that the opinions listed in this thread a purely because of these factors taken out of the arrangement! Just my extra two pennies worth!
superval99		#20	[-]
Posts: 516 (16/04/08 14:58:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I enjoyed all the previous versions, Alchemy, Basel '92, "A Night in London" etc , but to me the version on this tour is the closest to the original (as in Rockpalast) and I love it, even if there are a few minor glitches. It is live, after all and there were a few mistakes on the Rockpalast version too, but that didn't seem to bother anyone, except MK who had it played twice!

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